Natural Treatments for Multiple Sclerosis Part Two. What natural, alternative or complementary treatments do you use for multiple sclerosis?

Multiple Sclerosis

Multiple Sclerosis

One of the areas of interest for this blog is the whole issue of natural, alternative or complementary medicine.  In particular for such neurological conditions as multiple sclerosis (MS).

We have covered an overview of the area here https://patienttalk.org/multiple-sclerosis-natural-alternative-and-complementary-treatments-for-ms-part-one/.  Diet and multiple sclerosis has its own section but we have covered Yoga, for example, here https://patienttalk.org/yoga-and-multiple-sclerosis/.

The aim of today’s blog is to find out what treatments have been used by our readers.   So we have set up a very short poll.  It would be great if you could take part below.

Please use the comments box to share more about your experience of natural, alternative or complementary treatments for multiple sclerosis.  In particular we would love to know how successful these treatments have been.

Many thanks in advance

 


“Killer T cells” – a new way to fight Multiple Sclerosis. Read our interview with Gary Allen one of the test subjects for Prof Michael Pender MS research!


Gary Allen Multiple Sclerosis

Gary Allen Multiple Sclerosis

PatientTalk.Org have just completed perhaps the most important interview in the blog’s history.  Today we interview Mr Gary Allen.  Gary has been a participant in some of the most encouraging research into multiple sclerosis for some years.

In the interview below Gary tells us about his multiple sclerosis and his role as a “guinea pig” in the research of Prof Michael Pender of the  QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute.  He tells how being part of the research has been significant improvements on his pain levels, feelings of fatigue and general cognition.

You can check out more about the research at http://msqld.org.au/homepage/latest-news/808-prof-pender-research-update

 

a)      Please describe the story of your initial diagnosis and symptoms of MS?

I had what we now know was my first MS episode in 1994.  I had terrible motion sickness and nausea, lost control of some of my facial muscles and had some reduced power in my legs.  At the time there were a number of possible diagnoses, so when I recovered I got on with my life.  It wasn’t until 2000 when I had another major episode that I was clinically diagnosed with relapsing remitting ms.  In 2004 my MS went progressive.

b)      How did the MS progress?

During the last 10 years my symptoms have… well, progressed.  I slowly went from walking with a stick, to a crutch, to furniture walking and using a wheelchair for longer distances, to pretty much being in a wheelchair all the time, and then needing a hoist for transfers.  I have no real touch or temperature sensation in my legs or arms.  I also have intention tremors and lack of dexterity in my hands.  My legs reached a point where they have very little voluntary movement but my involuntary reflex / spasms were ‘brisk’ (a term that doesn’t do it justice).  The spasms can be painful and I had just started to experience the ‘lightning strike’ pain around my head before the treatment started.  I also would get long periods of painful pins and needles in my hands and face.  Looking back, I was really struggling with fatigue, concentration and cognition issues, which I didn’t notice because it crept up on me.  All of which was impacting on my working life (I have continued to be very busy with two plus jobs… yes I am a self-confessed workaholic), time with my family and my social life.

c)       Does the Queensland climate affect your MS?

Like many people living with MS, I have a certain degree of heat intolerance – so my symptoms become more pronounced as it gets hotter.  Consequently Brisbane’s 68-82 degree F average in Summer and subtropical humidity can be a real challenge.  At the age of 18 I moved from the grey and wet joys of England to Queensland, so you can imagine what a effortless transition in climate it was for me.  <chuckle>  Fortunately we have air conditioning at home so we can keep me reasonably cool.

d)      Please can you introduce our readers to Prof Michael Pender’s treatment and research?

Back in 2004 (or thereabouts) Prof Pender theorised that the Epstein Barr virus (a common cause of glandular fever) was mutating the B cells of people with MS.  As a consequence the virus was remaining in their systems – building up in the brain and spine.  This was also responsible for the body attacking the brain and spine column causing the implication and damage associated with the progression of MS.  More recently he’s been working with an oncology researcher at QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute. In 2013 Michael took 400ml of my blood, prompted it to develop ‘killer T Cells’ that eradicated EBV from my B cells.  Because I was the ‘first human guinea pig’, they reinfused my cells over 4 visits in a 6 week period.  Because I was first, we really had no idea of what to expect, but inside the first 2 weeks the results were astonishing.

e)      How did you hear about it?

I donated some blood to Prof Pender’s research back in 2000.  It turns out that I was an excellent candidate for the treatment (having lots of EBV infected cells and almost no EB antibodies).  So in 2012 Michael visited me a couple of times to meet with me and my wife to discuss the treatment.  It was something of a jump in the dark, with there not being any previous patients with MS receiving the treatment.  The science looked excellent (I read research proposals for a living) but essentially it boiled down to: we think it will put a handbrake on the progression, but it might cause you to have a massive attack.  Frankly 10 years into progression and no real treatment available, I had the attitude that it was well worth a punt.  Looking back I am just so grateful for having had the opportunity, delighted we made the right decision, and very conscious of my responsibility to get the message out there that there is a light at the end of the tunnel for families struggling with progressive MS.  I want to do what I can to help make a clinical trial a reality.  The extra lumbar punctures and MRIs I’ve had to help collect data to make the case for a trial is the smallest of  asks.

f)       Can you describe the procedure to us?

It took around 4 weeks to ‘grow’ the killer T cells and do the lab testing.  The cells were returned into my system via four infusions over a 6 week period.  It was done this way so I could be closely monitored for adverse reactions / side effects.  Following the treatment I returned to the ward several times for tests and neurological assessments. Next month I am due to have my (12 months on) lumbar puncture and MRI.

g)      What were the outcomes negative and positive?

In less than 2 weeks we started seeing very positive outcomes.  At first I was very conscious of the potential for the placebo effect, but the positives kept building, and have been sustained for a year.  I have a remarkable change to my fatigue, cognition and memory.  I have a significant improvement in pain levels (which is pretty much gone) and marked improvement in the size and duration of pins-and-needle discomfort.  I saw a reduction in painful legs spasms and my intention tremor has in my left hand has reduced.  I work as a policy officer at Griffith University and went from struggling through the delivery of three workshops a year to delivering one or two per week.   I have a very nerdy indicator of the improvements: Prior to 2007 I could score up to 97 planes landed in the iPad game Flight Control.  After 2007 I gave up playing because I couldn’t land more than 14.  Two weeks after starting the treatment I got 117.  In May last year I landed 561!  At which point my wife gently observed that it might be time for a different challenge.  🙂  Last month my wife, son and I went on our first long holiday together in more than 10 years.  I have the energy and enthusiasm to play with my boy.  We’ve noticed some increase in voluntary movement in my legs – not much and we’re trying to work out now how much of that is because muscle shortening and atrophy.  It was exciting when the scans and tests started to echo my lived experience.  My MRI, (pre, during and post) went from showing four areas of my brain under attack to 2 and those 2 areas were 40% the size of what they were.  The next scan results are going to be very interesting.  I am yet to experience any side effect or negative outcome.

h)      What do you think the future for the technique is?

MS Queensland is trying to raise AU$400,000 to conduct a clinical trial.  That will provide more data about the effectiveness and safety of the treatment and is the first step in registering the testament with the Australian TGA.  Ironically one of the of the things that attracted me to the treatment – the fact it involves no drug, no stem cells, just my own cells returned to me – also now is the funding challenge, there’s no drug for a pharmaceutical company to commercialise.

i)        What is the prognosis of your multiple sclerosis?

Because I am the first guinea pig we  have no idea how long this will last, whether it will need to be ‘topped up’ or what it means for my long-term prognosis.  What I can say is that I have been blessed with an amazing year with no progression, some tangible improvements and perhaps the greatest gift of all: Hope.

 

j)        Have you any advice for somebody just diagnosed with multiple sclerosis?

Oooo how much space do I have?  <chuckle>.  Perhaps 3 things:

  1. There really is reason to hope.  An effective treatment is within reach.
  2. Keep up with your physio, stretches and working those muscles because you don’t want to be like me now wondering whether, if I’d practised what I’m preaching now, my legs maybe could be doing more.
  3. Always remember that accepting help, whether it’s in the form of pain management or other medication, counselling, a wheelchair or whatever isn’t giving up or admitting how bad things might go for you… it’s just help, and if it means you can cope better or can go out and about, it’s worth it!

k)      What is, in  your view, the future of Prof Pender’s research?

Michael believes that the theory and treatment works for early diagnosis relapsing remitting patients – i.e. at some point soon it will stop the damage before it happens.  Now if that doesn’t take your breath away I don’t know what will.

To help raise money for a clinical trial my wonderful wife Renay is conducting a short story competition where the entry fee is donated to the Society.  Go to http://www.renayallen.com/community-2/ to find out more and to enter the competition.

People with Multiple Sclerosis How many lesions do you have on your brain and spine? Take our poll!

Multiple sclerosis lesions

Multiple sclerosis lesions

While doing some research for another blog post on multiple sclerosis I tried to find out how many lesions were typical.

Interesting such information did not seem to be available so i think it is worth rectifying this situation.

We have decided to run a poll among our readers with  MS  to try to find out how many lesions on your brain and spines have so far been discovered.

If you have anything more you would like to share about your lesions which you think will be of use to other people with multiple sclerosis please use the comments box below,

Many thanks in advance.

 


 

What do you think causes Multiple Sclerosis? Have your say at our poll!


Multiple Sclerosis

Multiple Sclerosis

Over the years there have been quite a number of explanations for the causes of multiple sclerosis (MS).

Obviously the jury is still out as far as the medical profession is concerned.  But we are much more interested in what people in the multiple sclerosis community think.

So when have decided to run a new poll to find out what you think.

Feel free to use the comments box below to share your ideas or just take the poll below.

Many thanks in advance.

 



Multiple Sclerosis Flare-Ups. What is a MS flare-up? What is your experience of a MS relapse? Please take part in our research and discussion blog!

Multiple Sclerosis Flare-Ups

Multiple Sclerosis Flare-Ups

I’ve been writing about and researching the stories of people with multiple sclerosis for nearly a decade.  In that time I’ve learnt that one of the really big issues is a multiple sclerosis flare-up.  Something which rightly concerns all of us in the MS community.

The aim of this blog is to allow our readers to share their experiences of an MS flare-up.  In particular we are really interested in how you dealt with the flare and what you do to try and prevent another MS flare-up occurring.

Of course flare-ups are a particularly big issue for people with relapsing remitting multiple sclerosis (RRMS).  Indeed the inclusion of relapsing in the name gives the game away somewhat!  It can also be called an exacerbation (which is a bit of an understatement) or simply an attack.

A MS flare up is defined as the appearance of a new symptom or the re-appearance of older symptoms.  This could involve an increase in fatigue, optic neuritis (https://patienttalk.org/?p=312), balancing problems or increased pain.

Timing is an important issue with a flare up.  Technically the symptoms must last for longer than 24 hours and be thirty days after your last exacerbation.  However sometimes the replace can last much longer – months in some cases.

It has been suggested that MS attacks can be triggered by infections or stress.  However research is still on going in this area.

Treatments are typically steroid based attempting to lower the immune system to prevent it from attacking the body.

As we said at the start of the blog we are particularly interested in your experience of MS flare ups.  It would be great if you could use the comments box below to share your experiences.  You may well wish to think about the following questions when formulating your answers:-

a)      Please can you describe your last replace?

b)      How long did it last?

c)       Do you know what triggered the exacerbation?

d)      How did you treat it and how successful was that treatment?

e)      How do you try and prevent a flare up occurring?

Obviously these are just guidelines so please feel free to add anything you think will be of interest to other readers.

Many thanks in advance.

StevieJaye a)     Please can you describe your last replace?  This week and it was a spasm in my thigh, which leads to my leg giving way
b)      How long did it last?      A couple of days
c)       Do you know what triggered the exacerbation?     I have a bad cold at the moment, so don’t know if this is the cause.
d)      How did you treat it and how successful was that treatment?     Sometimes I take Diazepam and that works, massage, my normal meds.
e)      How do you try and prevent a flare up occurring?    Sometimes there is nothing you can do to prevent it happening.
loreesaleman Hang in their! 🙂 I have a feeling u will hang in there until your 80th birthday. I know there’s nothing funny about a ms but I had to giggle when you were explaining about the loosening up when you know you’re going down . It does work I tried explaining this to my hubby and he laughed.tuck and roll I call it. I know this well because my balance is so messed up. along with other things. I try to have some kind of sense of humor about it. sometimes its funny when people are watching me when im walking or I should say trying to walk and you’re like wobbling all over the place when my sense of humor has to kick in and I pretend that I’m drunk . I do take this disease seriously because it affects me and a lot more ways but you just can’t give up! oh how about like putting ice cream and cupboards and having it melt all over… aren’t going to introduce a family member that you known for a while and all of a sudden you forget their name! that’s a good one. People are staring at you! We’ll good luck to you I really mean it, and God bless
JenniferRogers1 Singlemomof2 don’t give up! A lot of what you are saying sounds a lot like some of what I have and still go through. This is why our voices are soo important! This disease is like a thief in the night.. and it’s so hard to diagnose and treat that it’s almost like it doesn’t exist. Oh but it does…and the thousands of us who suffer from it know it does. If what one doctor says to you is no help, go to another one, and another until you find one that will listen to you and refer you to a GOOD Neurologist. The same applies to the neurologist. Keep looking. Never just accept what a doctor says simply because they are a doctor. It’s your body, your life. Take charge! And never give in! Hugs to you, stay strong!
Singlemomof2 I was dx in July of this year. So far I have had problems getting a neurologist. The last one said that the lesions are normal and everyone has them. Then I had another doctor tell me the lesions were caused by migraines, I get sinus headaches, but they’re not that bad.
Now I am waiting to get to a new neurologist. Since the new one is in the same office as one of my former doctors I have to get his permission to be seen, which is taking months I am about to go up there and not leave until he says that he okays it.
Now everytime I have a relaps, which I am having one now, I have to go to the ER to get any help. They know it is a relaps and prescribe me steroids and gives me some while I am there, but they keep asking me why haven’t I seen a neurologist about this yet. I tell them the problem and they call my family doctor and tell him what is going on and he says he can’t do anything about it. It is so frustrating, I almost want to give up!
Langham27 kathie1026 JamesRtidBlake
Yes – I understand ‘random twitches – they are a constant companion as are fluttering eyelids
Langham27 I was diagnosed with MS 43 years ago at the age of 30.  Only in the last ten years have the symptoms increased.  Fatigue is my greatest challenge.  I am extremely heat sensitive – heat wipes me out.  My right leg feels like a lump of lead and even my stimulator does not help.  I cannot walk far, but put me on our tandem and away she goes – my husband is fatigued far more than me.  The fatigue affects my comprehension and memory – on a good day I am as sharp as a fox, on a bad day mental battery FLAT.  Never know what the next few hours/days will bring. Frustration leads to depression, so I tend to pace myself more these days.  73 next birthday.  Next goal is to reach 80, still on my feet!! An effective treatment etc seems a long time coming, and many of us feel sometimes we are just left to “get on with it”

Had a diabolical period of severe face pain some ten years ago.  Treatment with Carbomazapine and Ammitrytylene were brilliant and thank goodness it never came back.  No other pain to complain of – just sometimes shooting pains when I flex my neck forward and severe cramps in right leg sometimes.  Balance is worse when I am tired.  Fell and broke one rib and badly bruised others a few weeks ago.  On the mend now, but these tripping or falling episodes really knock ones confidence.  Something MS does teach us…. when you lose your balance, don’t stiffen up, loosen up – the landing is then less painful and the damage is no so long lasting.

invictus582 This article is informative but so frustrating to me.
I was diagnosed in 2010 and had a bad flare up right afterwards and started Copaxone pretty soon after dx.  After that my symptoms were managable but have gotten consistently worse.   I don’t think there are any new symptoms (except possibly the noise sensitivity and dyslexia type things that have been happening) but the fatigue, focus, cognitive issues, optic neuritis, etc. have all been consistently worse and now to the point that I have to stop running my business to take medical leave so I can hopefully get things under control.
When I visit the neuro (and a different neuro I had last year) they all say that it’s just ms symptoms and basically nothing can be done (although new neuro recently said to change meds to Tysabri), and even though symptoms are worse it’s not considered a relapse.   This has been going on for over a year and it’s to a point now where I pretty much don’t even like leaving the house.
Sorry – had to vent.  I wish these Drs could get on the same page.  I’m looking forward to taking medical leave so I can try and get this figured out myself, although that’s not the way I think it should be when the Drs are making so much money.
KimRobinson1 Diagnosed 12/08. Last flare up was September 2012. Lasted about 6 weeks. I’m guessing too much “fun in the sun” is what caused this one. Called my neurologist and he set me up on 3 days of steroidal infusions. Cleared up my vision almost immediately:) However I had to use a walker for almost a month because I had weakness and pain in my legs. I felt so old having to use a walker at 31 years old. But its my life, and I’m too determined to be defeated:)
BincyPhilips Hi I’ve been diagnosed in 2009…..to tell u the truth…I do not know the difference between a flare-up, relapse,and exacerbation…..can anyone tell me….now I think I’m having a flare…ataxic, numbness on both feet and hands….I’m on Rebif and gabapentin….also calcium,vit D3, B12 ….
Loriawilson I got diagnosed in Dec 2012.  I have been on Copaxone.  I have only had one flare up since then.  I felt like I was drunk. I was slurring words (not bad but it was noticable).  It lasted 3 days before I called the dr.  He put me back on steroids to help.  Ive been on them for about 8 days and I feel better but still feel kinda “off”.  This is my first flare up but I am going to look into changing my diet somewhat to see if that will help with future flareups.
kathie1026 In reply to JamesRtidBlake.JamesRtidBlake When you say, “random twitches,” are you talking about the nerves jumping somewhere on your body (it feels like the nerves jumping when your lower eyelid sometimes quivers)?
I can’t get anyone to understand what I’m saying when I talk about the “twitches.”
Thanks for your reply.
JamesRtidBlake My last flare-up was 2years ago and it came out of nowhere, couldn’t move my legs properly and i had my toddler son with me, scary. Before that, roughly about 4 and a half years ago, i experienced random twitches, fortunately recovered fully with steroid treatment. Unpredictability is the only word i associate my m.s
HazelHall Im just getting over one and when it happened i just carried on my day with blurred vision and new symptoms such as bad spine pain and crazy little movements on my leg and side of face and i needed to urinate more often and was very tired. I was dx in feb last year and its been crazy spuradic relapes and flare ups. I have an infection in 2 teeth which triggered the flare up and my monthly cycle doesnt help. But i take primrose oil vit d fish oils vit e and make fresh mix greens and dark berry smoothys which help and cut down on my gluten. Im on gabapentin aswell as avonex. Im begining to feel better.
RachelLaurn I was diagnosed in 1999 and since then, I have had at least 13 MS attacks.Each one was different and affected different parts of my body. One of the most severest was when my Peripheral Nervous System (PNS) shut down. PNS controls our involuntary movements.

My body temperature went haywire. One minute, I was so hot, I needed ice cubes to cool my skin. The next minute, I was so cold, my hands turned white and wearing gloves inside he house was not enough. I used a heating pad on top of my gloves.

My heart was racing for 2 weeks. I had to take medication to slow my heart down so I didnt have a heart attack. I couldnt stop yawning until I would almost pass out. Digestion was nonfunctional so I could only eat one bite at a meal. My eyes would not work together. I had to cover one eye to see out of the other, without double vision.

But the very worst part was that my equilibrium was NONFUNCTIONAL. I felt as though gravity didnt apply to me and that my body wasnt part of the earth. I cant explain the feeling, only that I was so confused and scared, I wanted to just die and cease to exist immediately because all time had stopped for me – I was in “limbo” trapped inside my body.

I, therefore, could not go to the hospital, because my body was being ravaged in 10 different ways at once. A nurse came to my home for 3 days and gave me steroids. They did help tremendously but I was not symptom free for about 2 weeks.

This attack will be scarred in my memory forever. It scares me to even talk about it.

geek1 a)      Please can you describe your last relapse?
Ongoing. Right side (toes to shoulder) numb, pins & needles, tight, with some lose of strength. Clonus in foot. Unable to use right hand, which I cannot steer. It is also painful. Cannot touch nose with finger (eyes-shut test). Left hand and foot numb. Both thighs stiff. General temperature disturbance.
b)      How long did it last?
Started 3 weeks ago
c)      Do you know what triggered the exacerbation?
Poor diet?
d)      How did you treat it and how successful was that treatment?
High dose IV steroids over 5 days. Unsuccessful

e)      How do you try to prevent a flare up occurring?
Continue with Copaxone. Will go back to a diet low in sugar and fat, and high in vegetables, fruit and lean meat

meekocat a)      Please can you describe your last replace?  Not sure what you mean?  My last relapse was February 20, 2013.

b)      How long did it last?  I am still having symptoms.  Original symptoms were numbness and tingling in both feet with my right foot worse and severe spacisity in my right ankle.

c)       Do you know what triggered the exacerbation?  I believe a fall down the stairs triggered the relapse.  The only one I had prior to that was October 2011 when I couldn’t urinate, had to have a catheter put in, I also suffered from extreme fatigue (felt like I had Mono or something) and slept for almost 4 days straight.  MRI and CT scan done on back to determine cause, none was found.  They never asked or looked for MS.  Looking back now I had a few episodes with getting up with numb feet and saddle area as well as tripping all the time and extreme fatigue.  I just thought it was age-related.  I am 54 now.

d)      How did you treat it and how successful was that treatment?  I was just now DXD on Jan. 2, 2014 with RRMS.  My neuro had me do a 5 day solu-medrol infusion.  Still have numbness and tingling in my feet, but I am walking a little better.

e)      How do you try and prevent a flare up occurring?  I’m supposed to be starting Copaxone injections, still waiting for approval from my insurance.