59 thoughts on “Autism and vaccinations! Could autism be caused by vaccines? Have your say at our poll! And check on the discussion!”

1. SpeaksAspergian Thanks very much for this – Do not worry your language is fine.  Feel free to share more

2. I was diagnosed with Asperger’s/autism when I was 58 years old.  I am a geneticist and a conservation biologist.  I would love to say more about myself, but I come to this conversation not even knowing what phrases are acceptable. I come to a community that I wish would accept my differences, because I honestly do not understand the politics of how we are supposed to talk about autism.

   ALL that being said, I would like to write a wee bit about the genetics, so that we are clear on what is known, which is far from enough. I apologize in advance if my phraseology is politically incorrect, but my limitation is this: I try to be pc, but I am hardwired to communicate in my way. 

   There are clearly, and understandably, misunderstandings in genetics which I have noticed in the comments.  Here is some big picture stuff:  Autism falls into the category of “quantitative” genetics. This means that there are many, many genes involved, each with a small effect, each with a small contribution to the whole “phenotype” that we call autism.  (I use the neutral scientific term “phenotype” instead of disease or syndrome, even though I believe that these other terms may be used correctly in appropriate context.)  What this means is that autism is NOT like cystic fibrosis or sickle cell anemia, which are human diseases caused by a mutation in a single gene.  Autism is literally based on a spectrum of genes, many, many genes. I cannot stress enough that many genes are involved and that we need much more scientific research.
   According to statistics, autism has a substantial genetic basis AND is influenced by environment.  Both are important.  Here’s a personal example:

   I was conceived in a little house beside a golf course in the 1950’s (read: pesticides without modern controls).  Because I am the first person in my family “with autism” (sorry to those who dislike the “with” phrase), and because biological development is altered in autism, I have asked, could those chemical toxins that my mother may have breathed over 9 months TIPPED my genetic cart (the genes that were there already in me) in such a way that I developed Asperger’s?  Maybe and maybe not. This question cannot yet be answered.  We don’t know because it is possible that my Asperger’s (may I speak it this way?) would have developed anyway!  Many little genes of small effects can together make a big effect.

   What about vaccines?  I have not read the actual clinical trials, but I accept the reported result that there is not a statistical link. This does not mean that I don’t think there is something else in our environment TIPPING THE CART for many people.  We are all carrying genes that matter in autism.

   I say this because of the very sophisticated “genetic architecture” of autism.  Autism as a phenotype may be a modern syndrome, but its genetics have evolved in our human population over a very, very long period of time.  We need research as well as _______(the pc word for treatment … anybody?).

   My hope is to help bring the science of autism genetics to the people.  This is certainly not an easy task, not only because to render that science accessible will take much work, but because I am not wired to be politically correct.  My hope is that the controversies, protests and boycotts will give way to a unified research front going forward.  My hope is that readers will accept my limitation in how I use language, and let me write about genetics  for the general public without criticizing my Aspie inability (am I wrong to use ‘inability’?) to use language phrases that are not my own.

   Thanks to all who read and accommodate my language. Thanks to my Creator, that I can write, for my identity is in my soul, not my “autism”.

3. EliCabelly amandapowell1 klhembree diseases are coming back because the vaccines contain LIVE viruses that …….. wait for it………SHED……….thats why the outbreak in canada last year was directly linked back to a vaxed kid………..herd immunity???? what about china……they have almost 100% and they are still getting outbreaks???? you are one to talk calling people uneducated……….you should realise that when you point the finger at someone there are 3 fingers pointing at you 😉

4. EliCabelly klhembree once again no citation for your dribble eli

5. EliCabelly GinaGeer you keep bleeting the same talking point eli…….put up some evidence for your content or shut up…..ffs what are you a big pharma or govt troll??? you know how i know your full of crap???? because courts in the US and Italy have RULED that there is a connection but the govenments have sealed the cases so the public cannot get the damn evidence in the public domain ………. vaccines are neither safe nor effective and i bet you can’t find us a study to disprove that statement 😉

6. HeatherSaggers please do the history…….these so called deadly (media fearmongering) diseases were already in decline of 80-90% BEFORE their various vaccines even came into play…….something the media and establishment always forget to mention……also in the US…….whats doing more harm to our children……measles or the mmr vaccine??? in the last 10 years how many measles deaths??? compare that the mmr vaccine related deaths over the same period???? the tv (a.k.a propaganda box)  does not always give you the truth………..enough said 😉

7. MissyAvey it does if they are directly exposed to the toxics in their environment……swallowing paint might do it, or even a tube of fluoride toothpaste or mercury from a broken power saving lightbulb, pesticides/round-up…..theres tonnes of crap in our childrens environments now – a lot more than 50+ years ago…….before the fda and epa started rubber stamping everything……..do you actually think parents watch their kids brush their teeth 100% of the time? what does it say on the toothpaste packaging if swallowed in the US??? Contact the POISON CENTER and lets keep in mind and in perspective………how many unvaxed kids have autism? maybe 1 in 25,000 compared to the 1 in 50 in the vaxed lot?  dont take mine or anyone elses opinions as gospel – but do keep an open mind and dont buy into the medical establishment……they don’t profit of healthy people do they?

8. Donna Loveless totally agree donna…….the spectrum is so broad now that it has become near impossible to pin point a direct cause…… what i don’t buy into is the government (new zealand) saying that the majority of autism is genetical…….this is a straight out lie, genetics at most only accounts for no more than 30%, the birthing process between 5& & 15% ……. that means that anywhere between 55% & 65% is environmental!!!  Vaccines can and has caused autism, this has been verified in both US and Italian Courts where the Judges have ruled just that – the fact that the government then seals the case so the public cannot get access to the evidence, to me, is their submission of the FACT!  However, like i said before, the spectrum is now so broad – and basically each case and child is different/unique – to me the environmental factors explains the rest………..toxics/poisons such as pesticides, herbicides, fluoridated water, lead, mercury, aluminium. round-up, lead, arsenic, etc etc the list goes on and on which to me, at least, accounts for the wide variety of symptoms that fall on the spectrum……….my personal experince with one of my boys (and only 1, the middle of 5) tells me that it was his vaccine that triggered/caused his autism……i have home video of him 3-4 months before his shot………..alert, verbal, responsive……..i even have a plunket nurse report stating that she had ZERO concerns about is ‘development’ just 1 month prior to his shot…………it was a very slow regression for my son, being with him everyday i wasnt the one to notice and raise the alarm bells…..rather it was my mother who visits every school holiday, every 3 months that noticed……the rest is history and the only benefit for my family is that this woke me the f%$k up and i now question EVERYTHING and if my question dont get answered i simply do not CONSENT to ANY medical/government/authority and NEVER WILL!  My family – My choice

9. Both of my daughters were vaccinated. Same doctor. Same clinic. Same vaccines. One daughter, no problems. My other daughter, diagnosed with Autism. I’ve done so much reading on the vaccine/autism debate. However in my opinion, I have proof right in front of me of no link. Autism is not a disease to be “cured”. It a developmental/personality disorder that occurs in utero. Yeah I think genetics plays a big part in it too. Lots of Autism diagnosis in my family. Maternal and paternal. My daughter knows the diagnosis doesn’t change a thing about her. She knows she’s perfect who she is. I just don’t see any legitimate proof to the link. But I do not ever claim to be an expert. This is all just MY opinion.

10. Shelly you have been misinformed! You should read up on blood born pathogens. Hep B can survive on most surfaces for at least 7 days. Anytime a person/child comes in contact with infected blood the risk is present. Yes, sex and sharing needles…….. Also sharing razors, toothbrushes, open sores, pricks from infected needles, instruments ect.

11. amandapowell1 
    yes finally you got it right …. You are GUESSING
    I could see why the idea came about because of when you notice the autism but you can’t go around deciding reality by guess. my nephew was claimed to have come down with the autism after his 4-6 month shots but I told them at birth he was autistic duh! not our fault no one can see it.

12. amandapowell1
    no vaccines in my ancestors or myself, so why do most of us have autism? my children were vaccinated but not at birth and that is when the autism was obvious to their autistic mother (diagnosed at age2) My grandchildren got all the nasty crap like HepB and they are past age 3 with NO SIGNS of autism. anecdotes are not science but I will never believe the damage done by the vaccines is autism. there could a link because autistics tend to be more sensitive to and unable to detoxify as well as the allistic. I am for spacing out the vaccines for autistics and a couple I am against but it has nothing to do with autism. that is ridiculous!

13. amandapowell1
    apparently …. according to you!
    I CAN’T BE MET

    PMSL

14. ShelleyTzorfas Sorry I don’t quite understand what you are saying.  Could you explain please?

15. WE watched in horror as towns that never had Autism before had a child or 2 suddenly Autistic because the US passed a law blocking Your right to sue a vaccine maker in regular court and kids went from a few vaccines to more than 80. 1991 hit hard -it was the year they began vaccinating NEWBORNS for a  disease they could not get-Hep B, a mad science experiment as it is spread by sex or IV drug (Sharing) use. 

    This controversy among the pharma/med industry did NOT begin a decade ago- It began in 1991-some say the 1980’s. In the meantime if you really want kids to recover;http://www.amazon.com/Recovering-Autism-ADHD-Special-Needs/dp/0988853108

16. EliCabelly Donna Loveless  

    The toxins were removed from vaccinations over a decade ago? Have you ever read the vaccine ingredients list? Was the only toxin you know of, Thimerosal, (mercury)? I think you need to start doing some actual and independent research. What about aluminum adjuvants and vaccine contamination?

    Vaccine Ingredients 
    http://novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/

    Vaccine dangers: Bombshell admissions from CDC’s 1999 Epidemiologist

    There is absolute confirmation of the following health anomalies that have been plaguing U.S. and global population children’s health before the age of six, now and for the last two decades.

    Degenerative and developmental disorders
    Renal disorders
    Elevated risks for disorders such as: Autism, sleep disorders, and speech disorders

    The unfortunate truth finally has been revealed that the U.S. CDC and others knew about mercury in vaccines causing Autism back in 1999 and have been misleading us scientifically ever since! 

    It does not get any more criminal than that: conspiracy! And, that’s not on the part of ‘conspiracy theorists’ either; it’s on the non-deniable, self-stated, admission of a U.S. government health agency, the CDC. 

    Sadly, the same is still going on regarding vaccines. Currently, it’s repugnant, and no one is doing anything responsible to rectify it. 

    Read more:
    http://www.sott.net/article/268185-Vaccine-dangers-Bombshell-admissions-from-CDCs-1999-Epidemiologist

    Facts, regarding the misleading claim that mercury, (Thimerosal), has been removed from vaccines.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/facts-regarding-the-misleading-claim-that-mercury-thimerosal-has-been-removed-from-vaccines.html

    Glutathione, Tylenol, Vaccine Adverse Reactions, and ASD
    http://www.vacfacts.info/glutathione-tylenol-vaccine-adverse-reactions-and-asd.html

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

    Callous Disregard Research
    http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm​

    Do Vaccines Cause Autism? 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S1-LgYyjQg

17. The science speaks for itself, right here. Vaccine DO cause autism.

    Learn what the real, unbiased, and independent science that the CDC ignores and continues to ignore, is showing us. Clearly a situation with potentially more harm than good being done by vaccines.

    Vaccine aluminum adjuvant causation of neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism. (Numerous independent studies)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-aluminum-adjuvant-causation-of-neuroglial-activation-and-neuroinflammation-in-the-brain-of-patients-with-autism.html

    Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”.
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

    The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Stormhttp://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

    Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid Cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
    http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

    Autism Spectrum Disorders

    Common Sense about Autism Spectrum Disorders.Autism has a number of causes – which means you can do something to help reverse it and improve the life of your child.

    http://www.health-reports.com/autism.html?engine=overture%21801&keyword=autism+resourceThe CDC

    Claimed To Epidemiological Safety Studies – Verses – The Independent Physiological Vaccine Safety Science
    http://www.vacfacts.info/the-cdc-claimed-to-epidemiological-safety-studies-ndash-verses-ndash-the-independent-physiological-vaccine-safety-science.html

18. amandapowell1 kb7rkyHend200How mature and educated of you. I guess name calling is an accepted debate tactic for you.

19. amandapowell1 EliCabellyklhembreeDiseases are coming back because people aren’t vaccinating their children. You fail at metaphor.

20. GinaGeer There is no connection between autism and vaccines.

21. amandapowell1 EliCabellyAutism is a genetic condition, with initial onset before birth. Everything you see after birth, with the social disorders and everything else, is secondary symptoms.

22. AngelaGoodbody There is no link between autism and vaccines. You need to help him learn coping skills to deal with all the increased perceptions he’s trying to deal with.

23. amandapowell1 kb7rkyAutism starts before birth. Autism is genetic, not from toxins or vaccines.

24. amandapowell1 rachie79 Autism has no link to vaccines or toxins.

25. unam You’re right, that is all you know. Autism has no link to vaccines.

26. amandapowell1 HeatherSaggersAutism is genetic. That’s why it’s more prevalent in boys than in girls.

27. amandapowell1 The toxins in vaccines do not contribute to autism at all. The actual onset of autism is before birth. What you saw at 12 months were secondary symptoms.

28. Donna Loveless Autism starts in utero. Autism doesn’t match any other illness based on toxic exposure. The toxins were removed from vaccinations over a decade ago, and the incidence of autism hasn’t decreased. Autism isn’t related to vaccinations.

29. If I told you my child was neurologically damaged or brain injured by exposure to lead based paint, I would not be challenged, yet thousands of parents testify that they saw their children regress into “autism” (neurological injury) after vaccinations, and everyone is skeptical. Why? Political? Egos? Money? Parents of autistic children have proven that their children have high amounts of mercury, aluminum and other toxins (which are in the vaccines) in their blood. Many have been able to detox and reverse the autistic like symptoms. But still no one believes. Until real studies are done comparing vaccinated vs. unvaccinated we will never have a true perspective. What is everyone afraid of? Yes, I believe it’s possible there are different causes of autism… But if 1 out of 25,000 unvaccinated have autism and 1 out of 25 vaccinated have autism, we can see the problem. The autism “epidemic” we have today did not start until the vaccination schedule increased in 1990. The more vaccines, the higher the rates of autism. It’s really not so hard to figure out…… But somebody doesn’t WANT it figured out. Hmmmm.

30. amandapowell1It’s such a toxic world we live in. Sadly, the chemicals in our mattresses don’t help either. They are most toxic…and contribute hugely to Crib death annually. Seems more is against our raising healthy children than is for…see this: http://www.thecauseofsids.org/Cause_of_SIDS_found_by_Jane_Sheppard.htm

31. kb7rky  I relied on my doctors and my child did not have autism until after her 1 year flu shot.  I educated myself then and found vaccines are just a useless money making ploy.  They don’t prevent disease.  never have and never will…

32. kb7rky Hend200  you are mean Kb. and uneducated

33. EliCabelly Hend200  she said that because you were talking about herd immunity, a very uneducated thought

34. EliCabelly klhembree  So I guess if I don’t bathe then you are dirty and stink EliCabelly?  or if I don’t take my birth control pills you will get pregnant? Herd immunity is just heard immunity and nothing more.  Vaccines don’t even prevent disease.  Read up on the history of vaccines.  Diseases were leaving society when the vaccines would be made.  The diseases that never got a vaccine made for them left society just as quickly as the ones with a vaccine made for them and they didn’t return like the ones with a vaccine

35. EliCabelly  Autism is not just developmental delay.  It is a social disorder and my child did not have this at all until 1 year old.

36. rachie79  Actually there are cures for autism that work for most kids if tried.  One is getting the toxins out of their bodies.  Guess where the toxins came from?  You guessed it… their parent’s vaccines or their own.  Sometimes other places

37. HeatherSaggers  Ask your husband if he was vaccinated.  What about his dad?  there you go.  Your family is definitely sensitive to the vaccines and they did cause the autism in your family.

38. The toxins in vaccines are a large contributor to autism.  I don’t think they caused my daughter’s autism all by themselves, but I also don’t think she’d have it today without them.  Autism didn’t come until her 12 month shots.  You will not ever meet an autistic individual who never had vaccines and who’s parents and grandparents never had vaccines.  Unfortunately heavy metal and other toxins to pass on from both parents to the fetus so they harm the baby.  That is why some kids are “born with autism”.  They did not have it from conception.  the toxins damaged them throughout the 9 months they were in the womb.  This also explains why some kids aren’t vaccinated and still get autism.  The toxins damage their stomachs, leading to brain problems since the gut and brain are connected.

39. ConcernedMom1 MissyAvey  I wouldn’t doubt it. Almost everything has GMO and chemicals in it nowadays.

40. MissyAvey It could be GMO foods that are turning our children into what they are. Just a thought.

41. rachie79  Yes. We need to focus on helping those with Autism thrive!

42. I look at it as we can not change autism once diagnosed there is no cure all that we can do is accept love and support people living with Autism and research ways we can teach them to help them thrive in life and achieve there potential.I personally would not be looking for the answer of what causes Autism as no one knows and probably never will

43. It doesn’t explain the unvaccinated children who have Autism.

44. All I know is very typical grandson was on 3 bouts of antibiotics for ear infection then on well check day given 7 immunization s to catch him up and 2 weeks was silent and stemming in him own little world. He now lives we us.

45. For anyone interested, when I was trying to work out what I thought about this issue, I wrote two blog posts which you can find here:  http://www.walkingforadam.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/why-i-am-choosing-to-vaccinate-adam.html and here: http://www.walkingforadam.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/what-i-have-learned-about-mmr.html

46. Both my sons have autism, one is ‘worse’ than the other. I say worse, but he is more obvious than my other son. My husband is autistic and i am pretty sure his dad is also autistic. For me that says it is in the genes somewhere. But one thing i will always say is, that i would rather give my child a vaccination than let them catch a preventable disease and potentially die from it. 

    The thing about online access is if you believe something then the online world will give you the answers your looking for. For me i recently was in pain, i looked on the internet and everything i pulled up told me i had cancer. It made me worry, the symptoms fit. Yet it ended up being a pulled muscle. If you want to find that vaccines cause autism that’s what you will find online. But you only see what you have decided. I firmly believe vaccines do not CAUSE autism

47. Well, of course they do! I mean, really…what do health care professionals with their CENTURIES of experience in things like this really know? I mean, after all, we all know that uneducated, vapid, moronic celebrities know far more about dangerous and deadly diseases than your doctor ever will! And, we all know, too, that just Googling your symptoms will lead to a 100% diagnosis every time! 

    …damn it was hard typing that with a straight face…

    Too bad most of the idiots here on this board don’t bother to do real research into vaccines, but instead rely on public opinion and their own ignorance to facts to decide they’re right, and everyone else is wrong…right, Hend 200?

    Yeah, I’m talking to you, you ignorant jackass…simply because most, if not all, of your idiotic comments can be easily destroyed. Never have I seen such a case of cognitive dissonance as yours. Wow. How you manage to get yourself out of bed every morning should be making headlines over on Faux Noise.

48. Hend200  You’re outclassed and outnumbered, troll. Begone with thee.

49. Hend200 I’m not afraid of non vaccinate children. Why would you make such an idiotic assumption? Again, you need to learn the difference between actual science and quackery.

50. Hend200 I see you haven’t learned how to determine the difference between actual science and quackery. Maybe you should learn how to do that with your next 5 months in bed.

    Good luck with that though. It took me years to figure that out.

51. Why are you afraid of non vaccinated children if yours are? Your ignorance is hurting people with your non educated comments.

52. You need to do more research. There is evidence that has been suppressed by the CDC to prove you wrong and it is irrepressible of you to make blanket statements. There are also studies which prove that demylination can occur after vaccines which we all know too well what that means. I urge everyone to do more research into the adverse reactions caused by vaccines. There are studies regarding the blood brain barrier and vaccines. I have spent a good part of the last 5 months in bed and have had a lot of time to read and research for myself and trust me when I say that you will be appalled when you dig into the damage that vaccines have on our neurological system.

53. hi so sad that they were talking at 4 and theh they stopped talking.
    i didnt know they could loose speech at that age, always thought ot was earlier 18months~ 24 months approx.i was told if they talking at 3 they will not go backwards. any info would be welcome please
    what preschool vac was it? my son has developemental delay and austistic traits and is progressing but he just had another vaccination jab last month at 3 years and 4 months. do u think he could get worse? how long after the injection did the symtoms come out?
    thank you

54. klhembree  Your children are severely high functioning autistic? Does that mean that they’re barely autistic, since they’re so high functioning?

    I don’t know of a single government that imprisons people for not vaccinating their children. What government are you referring to? As it is, vaccination is a health issue. If you do not vaccinate your child, and enough people also decide not to vaccinate, then children will start getting mumps, measles, and the other childhood illnesses that have, on occasion, killed people. Furthermore, there is no proof that vaccines cause autism. There isn’t even a reasonable suggestion of the possibility that vaccines cause autism. There is nothing there.

    In this case, your ignorance hurts others.

55. Vaccines do not cause autism. Autism is present at or before birth. The symptoms that appear after vaccines are given are related to child development. These issues show up as a result of development with the increased pressure of heightened senses from autism, and they show up as reductions in secondary development due to less energy being available for accomplishing developmental tasks.

56. At best I was told it is like playing Russian roulette. My own account points toward vaccinated during vulnerable times that contribute to growth regression to complete non verbal and no eye contact from my child. It was too much toxic exposure. Her system needed to be strengthened and cleaned if another injection was going to be given. We waited a few years and gave another vaccine shot but seeing how illl she became immediately after we decided that would be the last time.

57. Old news Heather Saggers 😉

    http://www.nature.com/tp/journal/v3/n1/full/tp2012143a.html

58. There is no medical connection between Autism and Vaccinations, i was given ‘proof’ there was but all of the ‘proof’ was people views nothing concrete. And what worries me more is people CLEANSING their children of heavy metals, this is probably more dangerous, as a human needs certain metals like Iron to function properly. There has been reports by the World Health Federation who have found no link. National Autistic Society say there is no link as well.

    • Two people close to me have children that were born healthy. Up until the age of 4, they were able to talk and be socially active and normal. For both of them, they received their pre-school shots and within 1 month were completely non verbal autistic.
      The government mandates that we be vaccinated. In fact, you will be imprisoned for not vaccinating your children. Do you honestly think they would ever admit thatshots cause autism? What a liability for them! Think of the outrage the public would have. Of course they would put a stop to any such source.
      The reason this has been a widely debated topic is because people like me, who have witnessed the truth, come forward, and people who are funded by the government are paid to reassure people that shots are safe. Instead of reading articles, trust the people who know the truth from personal experience.
      -mother of an asd child… who at birth and one month received duplicated shots, and is ranked severely high functioning autistic on three nationally accepted gold standard autism tests.